The families of Joey and Billy Hoag, 13 and 11 years of age, and 14-year Craig Dowell became worried when the boys failed to come home for dinner that evening. Lost Boys of Hannibal Shift Films True Crime 4.8 340 Ratings JAN 9, 2023 S4 Episode 4: That man Karras. Notifications from this discussion will be disabled. Debra DeDe Hoag, 67, of Hannibal, Missouri, passed away at 5:37 AM Thursday, February 15, 2018 at her home. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. The preliminary search was called off 10 days later, though another source said, The case of the Lost Boys of Hannibal has been the subject of at least three books. Doesn't seem to be any record (names) in the DN database. "If you have a chance to accomplish something that will make things better for people coming behind you, and you don't do that, you are wasting your time on this earth." I dont think he was really good friends with Joey, but he wasnt no big friend of Billy and I. I can tell you that. I think something bad happened to him., DeDe is hopeful one day her brothers remains will be found. For example, during the massive cave search for the boys in 1967, there were reports in Hannibal that a "mystery man" had been hanging around for a couple days near the cave openings where road construction was occurring -- a place where the three boys had been playing in the days prior to their disappearance. Craig Dowell lived over on Union Street. It was as if he was trying to hide and secretly monitor the work of the search groups. Visitation will be from 5:30 PM to 7:30 PM Tuesday. 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. Two of the psychics told Wingate that "John Wayne Gacy was that mystery man," he said. The boys parents, who owned a popular tavern in town, left for a meat market around 4 pm, giving their older children orders to make sure Billy and Joey didnt leave the house. It was searched by police but, again, no trace of the boys was found. They left anyway while their parents were out. Survivors include four children, Tonya Robinson (Keith) of Wentzville, Tammy Wisdom (Charlie) of Hannibal, Tisha Adair (Daren) of Hannibal and Jereme Mastin (Lindsay) of Hannibal; one brother, Dan Hoag (Candy) of Gurnee, Ill.; three sisters, Bobbie Wellman of Lebanon, Lynnie Pedigo of Wylie, Texas, and Denise Mudd of Hannibal; and nine grandchildren, Dylan, Tyler, Skye, Keaton (Brady), Curtis, Darrian, Rylee, Quinn and Reece. A Hannibal mystery 48 years in the making. Your e-mail address will be used to confirm your account. More than 200 cavers from across the country converged on Hannibal to explore the labyrinth of underground passageways, including Murphy's Cave and some newly opened cave entrances where road construction was taking place along what is now Mo. The three Hannibal boys were particularly curious about the caves. racist or sexually-oriented language. Please avoid obscene, vulgar, lewd, Fifty-four years ago this month, three boys went missing in Hannibal, Missouri, and were never seen again. Motorists are always making their way along Route 79 at its origin, along the calm banks of Hannibal, and for many its just a daily routine. They feared crashes and other disasters. The show is now into its third season, and Cambeletta has also begun working on a documentary film about the case. We'll send breaking news and news alerts to you as they happen! "When this happened it was really devastating," Wingate remembered. But in 1967, three boys went on their own adventure in the town and never returned. Please look at the time stamp on the story to see when it was last updated. Wingate expounds on the Gacy theory in his new book, "Souls Speak: Missing children reveal their serial killer from beyond," which became available Wednesday on Amazon.com. Lost Boys of Hannibal on Apple Podcasts 44 episodes This Podcast sets out to solve one of Hannibal Missouri's biggest mystery, The Lost boys of Hannibal Missouri snd the events surrounding their disappearance in 1967. After that, they disappear and even traces of them, much less their bodies, were found. There's no evidence to support any other theories, however. DeDe Hoag believes her brothers and Craig Dowell may have gotten trapped in one of these holes and accidentally buried after they were sealed. Visitation will be from 5:30 PM to 7:30 PM Tuesday at the James O'Donnell Funeral Home. It is a possibility that [serial killer John Wayne Gacy] was traveling through and from Hannibal, Cambeletta said. He and Joel were both eighth-graders at Hannibal Junior High at the time of their disappearances. Brothers Billy and Joey Hoag, ages 11 and 13, along with their friend Craig Dowell, 14, were last observed carrying shovels and flashlights around 5 p.m. May 10, 1967. The case has also been a subject of a podcast, also called The Lost Boys of Hannibal, which aired its first episode in July of 2019 and appears to still be going. But these searches, just like the ones in the caves, didnt lead to much. racist or sexually-oriented language. Their parents, who were back from the meat market, said they werent there, but that if their friend saw him to tell them to hurry home. He had on a T-shirt and jeans. DeDe and Billy crossed paths in the house. accounts, the history behind an article. "It's beyond coincidence.". Get an email notification whenever someone contributes to the discussion. Wingate said he started investigating the theory a year ago -- around the same time he was making stops in Hannibal and Quincy, Ill., to sign copies of his first book. He said all three women identified some of the same key locations in connection with Gacy and the missing boys. From here, some of the details become fuzzy. Craig lived on Union Street in 1967. All three suggested they had similar visions that Gacy was to blame for the disappearance and deaths of the Hannibal boys. On May 10, 1967, Joey Hoag stepped off the school bus outside his parents' home in Hannibal's Southside neighborhood where he was greeted by his 16-year-old sister, Debra "DeDe" Hoag. These kids lived up to everything [in Twains books], from caves and from river travels [to] hiking and exploring, St. Charles-based filmmaker Franki Cambeletta, who has spent the last couple of years seeking answers about it all, said Wednesday on St. Louis on the Air. Or had something else happened to them? The opening was between the ending southbound lanes off the nearby viaduct (the start of Birch Street) and Walnut Street. He and Billy were close friends. A flashlight and shovel, One source said the last known sighting of the boys, It was also around that time that another friend of the Hoag brothers stopped by their house to see if they were home. The three boys routinely explored caves in Hannibal's Southside neighborhood. Im doing that and I get ready to go and I dont even get 50 feet from the house. Winds NW at 10 to 15 mph.. A new Route 79 was being constructed (thats the route everyone knows today) and the deep holes dug into the hillside along the roads that lead into Lovers Leap and Riverside Cemetery had revealed a maze of passage ways which led into the caves. Your account has been registered, and you are now logged in. But who could stop the curious children? (I did read on a forum that the cave was actually discovered during the construction, but I cant confirm this.). But, so far, they havent found anything , Other theories say that the children fled to another city or were abducted. The boys were last seen on the south side of Hannibal, Missouri between 4:20 and 5:00 p.m. Choose wisely! Sunshine and clouds mixed. An email message containing instructions on how to reset your password has been sent to the e-mail address listed on your account. And unfortunately, its leaning right now toward more of a true crime opportunistic killer than it is a caving.. We'd love to hear eyewitness Greg Henderson, the boys 11-year-old friend who barely missed the cave trip that day, thinks there might have been corruption. You think theyre going to close down that highway to build on a speculation? They were just saying help, help, help. Three adventurous boys, Joel Hoag, 13, his brother Billy, 11, and their friend Craig Dowell, 14, were out exploring Murphy's Cave, which was exposed by highway construction from state highway 79,. Wed, 20 May 2015 04:21:51 GMT Joey, Billy, and the Hoag kids had many hobbies while growing up in Hannibal. "They were last seen up on the road watching the construction on May 10 at about 5:15.". It was Wednesday, May 10, 1967. -Butthead, Hart: Hannibal boys' disappearance brought back to life in book, After 45 years, mystery surrounding missing boys remains, This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our, Porchlight International for the Missing & Unidentified, Hoag,Bill and Joey Howell,Craig May 10 1967, http://www.hannibal.net/stories/042206/ 2003.shtml, http://www.hannibal.net/stories/042706/ 0101.shtml, http://www.whig.com/story/news/RH-Scoop-Column-011910, http://z13.invisionfree.com/PorchlightU c=936&st=0&, http://www.hannibal.net/features/x15264 written-it, http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stori sing-boys/, http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/23/lo later.html. They regularly picked up lanterns and went down into the dark cave tunnels. One person, who grew up in Hannibal and knew the Hoags, penned a book alleging psychics believe notorious killer John Wayne Gacy, whose victims include at least 33 boys and young men, murdered the Hoags and Dowell. Joel Wise Hoag was born on July 25, 1954 to mom Helen and dad Mike. The Lost Boys of Hannibal: Missing for 55 years. In the days that followed, cavers near and far joined an extensive search-and-rescue mission. Brother Bill Dexheimer will officiate. - The hometown of one of America's most enduring and beloved authors is also the site of a decades-old mystery. A writer and author of crime thrillers living in the UK. This is the name that will be displayed next to your photo for comments, blog posts, and more. 79. Nonetheless, this tight-knit community came together to find the lost boys. Investigators searched trains that had left Hannibal around the time the boys were last seen, perhaps wondering if they had been snatched without anyone noticing. On May 9, 1967, the Hoags and Dowell went searching Murphys Cave on the southside of town, which had been exposed by construction for Highway 79. Dundon pointed out witnesses who identified the boys as heading toward Murphy's . Hannibals south side sits at the base of many high hills and within those hills are caves, many, many caves connected in one way or another. She . Craig Dowell and brothers Bill and Joey Hoag disappeared on that May afternoon in 1967. (https://imgur.com/a/yXzzI), [News Article] (http://khqa.com/news/local/a-hannibal-mystery-48-years-in-the-making), [Charley Project] (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hoag_joel.html). These holes were sealed up a few days after the boys were last seen, despite orders from the mayor to keep them open. . Searching for the missing, identifying those with no name.Missing and Unidentified Persons Cases, Moderators:Nut44x4, tatertot, rain, burnsjl2003, Begood, wv171. Caves, like many other things in nature, are vast and often largely uncharted. Their family owned Hoag's Tavern, a popular restaurant on Main Street. On May 9, 1967, the three children headed to Murphys Cave. As he further explored the possibility of Gacy's involvement, Wingate kept finding other connections. The next morning, police, national guards and volunteers organized a mass search for the boys. This city is known as the birthplace of Mark Twain and in particular the Mark Twain Cave where Tom Sawyer films were made. You have permission to edit this article. Did they separate and go missing in multiple different ways, in two or even three tragic coincidences? Two years ago, Hannibal native John Wingate released his first book about the disappearance of three Hannibal boys who were last seen on May 10, 1967, near some cave openings on Hannibal's south side. One of the popular south side caves at the time, Murphys Cave, was one of the first places rescuers tried to look. that is degrading to another person. At the time the boys went missing, machines being used to search the caves could go as far down as 39 feet but the town mayor ordered them to go no further than 37 feet. Visitation will be from 5:30 p.m. to 7:30 p.m. Tuesday at the James O'Donnell Funeral Home. Other, similar theories suggest they were trapped in a road cave in, fell into a sinkhole or did actually return to the cave, only to become trapped somewhere where they couldnt be found. They were carrying shovels and a flashlight, and said they were going to explore Murphy's Cave, near the Highway 79 construction project. I was 11-years-old and I heard this was happening, Henderson said. Ive been to psychiatrists, neurologists, counselors. But a parental edict to stay in the yard the afternoon they disappeared wasnt enough to deter the young adventurers. "I've always been skeptical of this stuff," he said. The three boys' cases remain unsolved. I know guys who went looking for them, and guys would go in far enough and sit down and wait for a while, he said. Missouri's recreational marijuana law is in full effect in area, Continental Cement employees begin strike early Wednesday morning, Hannibal junior Cody Culp places second in state, Quintet of Hannibal wrestlers move on to Saturday at state meet. No racism, sexism or any sort of -ism Joel Hoag, 13, Billy Hoag, 11, and Edwin Craig Dowell, 14, vanished May 10, 1967. each comment to let us know of abusive posts. And I said, Mom, maybe youll just have to find out on the other side if theyre there. DeDe herself still struggles with her brothers disappearance despite 45 years passing by. There were some false footprints. Your purchase was successful, and you are now logged in. Yet they were reportedly sighted near Murphys Cave as late as 5:15, likely with dirty shoes and clothes that they would have then had to go home and clean up. Joel disappeared with his brother, William Hoag, and a friend, Edwin "Craig" Dowell. Billy has red hair and blue eyes and a scar under his right arm. person will not be tolerated. According to an October 2020 post on John Wingates website. But at some point, 15-year-old Tim Hoag and 16-year-old DeDe lost track of their younger brothers, who slipped out of the yard and headed for another adventure. At one point, FBI experts got involved in the process. Nearly 55 years ago, two young brothers and their friend gathered. HANNIBAL Missouri's Route 79 is a beautiful roadway that cuts through the state's eastern hills and tiny, subtle towns. Their parents, who were back from the meat market, said they werent there, but that if their friend saw him to tell them to hurry home. Did the boys die inside the sprawling underground Murphy's Cave where they were reportedly seen heading? Joel, who was interested in snakes and geology, had been punished the night before for going to the cave without permission. He went to Murphys Cave and saw some of the boys friends there, who said they saw Billy, Joey and Craig going into the cave earlier. "I had no idea this was coming," he said. The Hoag brothers and Craig Dowell were never found. The belief is they went into a cave to explore. "But now this whole situation has rewritten that history and changed the ending from missing' to murder.' Nearly 55 years ago, two young brothers and their friend gathered shovels and flashlights on a spring afternoon to explore a cave in their hometown of Hannibal, Missouri. She stayed up every night waiting for my brothers to come home. Don't knowingly lie about anyone let us know the episode date and topic and contact Alex Heuer Yet another says they were last spotted on top of a cliff called Lovers Leap by a janitor at their school. What I dont even get is why he was even with them. TU5XDI92lIM. The Hoag brothers were missing. The next day was Wednesday, May 10. Their parents forbade them to go there, but in response the boys said they would play in the yard and actually went to the caves. People came pouring in to look for them, DeDe said. Craig Dowell, he was an acquaintance, Henderson said. . My kids cant understand it and I cant understand it, other than we all think and feel different, DeDe said. A pair of black tights are a necessity, rather than just an accessory, to stay stylish and comfortable when temperatures drop. Were they trapped underground by a cave-in? He was spotted in many places where children were being searched. They were all reportedly spotted in and around Murphys Cave on the day they disappeared, but some of these sightings were not of all three of them, meaning they separated at some point. I cant speak for him, but he saw them walking up toward the highway, Henderson said. Wingate says he was skeptical when he heard from the three female psychics who all sensed a connection between Gacy and the missing Hannibal boys. So what do you think of this case? All rights reserved. HANNIBAL, Mo. They were all well researched. or anything. The Hoags surviving sister has wondered if there was a cover-up involving the construction company, which she said had workers routinely blasting in the area and did not put up signs or caution tape around any of the various cave openings caused by their work. "In all three cases, we'd find ourselves standing at the same location on three different days," he said. High 59F. Craig Dowell lived over on Union Street. Create a password that only you will remember. The memory of this strange disappearance of these three boys is still commented on in Hannibal. . [These boys] were the all-American child, and boy, in 1967 Hannibal, Missouri. He said Hannibal police contacted the FBI back then to inquire about any possible Gacy connections. Henderson found it odd that Billy wasnt there. A normal day Life in Hannibal was as it is today, relaxed. Low 31F. All new tunnels have been carefully inspected. Craig disappeared with two other boys, the Hoag brothers Joel and William. Don't Threaten. Night, DeDe said. Hes very certain the boys are buried beneath the southbound lanes of Route 79 just before the Lovers Leap tourist sign. She ordered them to wash their clothes, and both their parents warned them to never go near the construction site again, or they would be in major trouble. Because the road construction work going on at the time had resulted in a cave-in at Murphys Cave on the day the three boys went missing, the most prominent theory of their demise is that they became stuck in the cave after some kind of blasting occurred. However, on May 10, the three went to the same cave again, using the moment Hougs parents were in the store to shop. Details of Disappearance Joel disappeared with his brother, William Hoag, and a friend, Edwin "Craig" Dowell. This wasn't the first time Gacy's name has come up in connection with the missing youths. Because nothing was ever found, there's speculation that the children weren't lost in the cave and something else caused their disappearances. Both boys were adventurous and loved exploring the area around their home with their many young neighbors and classmates. A new book released last week puts a surprising new ending on a 52-year-old Hannibal story. They got forensic and all that stuff, they could probably get it solved. I went home and planned on going. The parents found out when they saw the characteristic reddish dirt on their clothes. Being restricted to the yard was the boys punishment. That prompted the beginnings of his and his co-host Chris Koetters podcast, "Lost Boys of Hannibal, in 2019. Despite the workers warning, the boys went back the next with two of their friends. In "Primavera," the second episode of the third season, their connection is tested in haunting ways. They were carrying shovels and a flashlight, and said they were going to explore Murphy's Cave, near the Highway 79 construction project. Tuesday, May 19th 2015. Submitting this form below will send a message to your email with a link to change your password. Like I just alluded to, they were supposed to be at church that evening, and probably would have had to catch the bus between 5:30 and 5:45 to be there by 6 pm. DeDe recalls her mother, Helen Hoag, scolding the boys to wash their clothes and stay away from the construction zone they were in. Submitting this form below will send a message to your email with a link to change your password. The boys' disappearance triggered a massive search. Their parents warned them against playing in caves, but the Hoag brothers were two of 11 siblings and let's face it, most normal parents only have four eyes between them. There are no plans to open up the cave system to the public, and the project is limited to skilled and experienced cavers, according to the post. That day, the construction work resulted in a cave-in at Murphys Cave. That evening, their parents forbade them from going back. He and William were not supposed to leave their yard, but they left anyway while their parents were out. Its just a matter of time., [Google Map of where the Hoag boy's home, Lover's Leap, and the general area where they may have gone missing!] He informs Will of Freddie Lounds posting a pic of one of the girls online, which Will calls tasteless. The brothers asked another friend of theirs, 11-year-old Greg Henderson, to go with them to the cave, but he got called in for dinner so he couldnt. Be Proactive. No human remains have been found during this exploration. It dropped down and we got in there, thats the way you got in. At the Hoag House there were a variety of emotions. It was also around that time that another friend of the Hoag brothers stopped by their house to see if they were home. Just before 6:30 pm, Helen Hoag called the police. HANNIBAL, Mo. Invalid password or account does not exist. Appears these boys has still not been found.. "Hey Beavis, we need a chick that doesn't suck. Keep it Clean. Because of these caves, Missouri is often referred to as the state of the caves, and it is not surprising that they attract many explorers as well as adventurers. Float trips and lazy days at the beach in Florida were always fun. The tunnels of Murphys Cave are very complex and winding. The worker told them to get out because it was dangerous, but no known precautions were taken after that to keep other explorers away. But at some point, 15-year-old Tim Hoag and 16-year-old DeDe lost track of their younger brothers, who slipped out of the yard and headed for another adventure. You can head over to, a small town of about 17,000 people that sits along the famous Mississippi River, Billy was very mischievous while Joey was more serious, interested in science, especially astronomy, exploring the cave when they were spotted by a worker, were later found to be missing from the Hoag home, were reportedly in Murphys Cave around 4:35 pm, but gone a few minutes later, a quick search of the cave by Tim turned up nothing, groups like the Mark Twain Emergency Squad and National Speleological Society, the cave would continue to be searched for the next month, the entrance to Murphys Cave was discovered, said case would stay open, but there probably wouldnt be any more searches, John Wingate, a childhood friend of the boys, have done a pretty deep dive into the case and even said they want to solve it, theres a new effort underway to keep mapping out Murphys Cave, they were supposed to be at church that evening, and probably would have had to catch the bus between 5:30 and 5:45 to be there by 6 pm, were sealed up a few days after the boys were last seen, that the boys didnt actually all go missing at once, He believes the mayor and others involved in the search may not have wanted to find the boys. 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