Also it would be great to know if the people voting own the guns they are rating and/or if they have ever shot them. Now I feel like I have t fire the XDS 9MM again before I trust it, Really shook me up when I casually pressed the trigger and got a light clunk. It went on to launch a revolution of micro .380 handguns. As long as you shoot the recommended ammo and keep your weapon cleaned, oiled properly, and replace any defective parts you will get much better performance. Getting the trigger on the safety notch is something you should never goof around with. You really missed this one. Actually, the KelTec P11 is the same size, came first and holds two more rounds. When it comes to a worst list omitting anything made by Kel Tec is a mistake. Lol, I think he is a troll with other guns as well. Both types are not recommened by the maker for the guns. A 380 is about as wide as a 9mm. However it is about 1/2 as powerful, 1/2 the weight and velocity. For a very long time 9mm was considered the rock And of course, they criticize all the brands that dont advertise with them. The gun works incredibly well if you use the recommend FMJ ammo as listed in the manual. Actually if the SCCY is on here then the Mill Pro G2 should be also, and that gun is a trainwreck compared to the SCCY. Fan boys gotta fan boy, and critics gotta criticize. Yes, the LCP II is still a .380 pocket pistol and as a result is still snappy. The movie Gigli had the worst, lowest rating ever on IMDB, voted on by tens of thousands of people. I know one person who had a nightmare of an experience with the Diamondback ..380. The Ruger LCP II, released by Ruger at the end of 2016, sought to remedy many of those downsides. The trigger reset does suck but its still a great gun. This list would have been more valid if it had included the KIMBER SOLO, This website is better than the comedy channel. Sorry, with all due respect to Mr Henson, I wish you the best of luck, and while I see how this might help some buyers sort from the thousands of gun models, its only a start. I also Have the Kahr CW380 nice guy but finicky on ammo. (I call the SCCY, my Sunday go-to-meeting piece. This gun is selling better than ever years later. Or had a bad exp. The slide has the most ineffective grooves Ive ever felt. Even a novice can see the better build quality of the Pico. Pointing a gun will not stop a thug. Just a BS review to gain clicks and views. Glad to see it was noted as rating highly, and not on the list. I have no Idea how this writer came up with this Bottom Feeder nonsense. First of all I do have the Kahr and like the gun very much. That said, I have never tried to pocket-carry one so Im not voting on it in terms of that specific criteria. S&W Bodyguard .380 7. The list is pretty laughable, though, because drawing conclusions from such a tiny sample of unvetted ratings is deeply, deeply flawed. Except for a derringer but that is because the prior owner dry fired it which you are to never do. We buy a pocket gun for last-ditch self defense, which literally makes it a do-or-die gun. I carry the SCCY more often and have cycled quite a few rounds through it. Recoil was worse on the 380 than the 9. On that note, you KNOW were kind of spoiled with all the great pocket guns available today. i used to own a keltec p11. One for range and one for carry. Yep and they give AKs a bad name with how terrible theirs are. Go to some of the forums and you will seem many post and pictures from fans. We indicate sponsored content as such. Anyway, all just my opinion here. The Pico is one of the best firearms in its class out there period. I own two of them, and they have turned out to be the highest quality most reliable firearms I own. But if ultimate concealment is the need, then just accept that it will need to be .380. In regards to the Cobra a lot of people dissing the gun are those who fire hollowpoints through it. How many times does anyone complain about a bad trigger in a self defense situation? Did it require a break in, a fluff & buff, a whole plethora of different ammo to get my approval? If there is what looks like an empty hole its uncocked. And probably never fired one. I own two of them, shoot pockets guns each week and have been for years. (not missed, as in missed the target, but missed as in I pulled the trigger for the follow up shot and nothing happened because it had not reset). I have had my CPX 2 and have shot many hundreds of rounds through it, no jams, no misfires, not really impressed with the rear sites, so I put a laser on it and it is accurate, I like not having a safety on it, but with 9 pounds of trigger pressure you do not need a safety. To start with they sat on it for 2 whole years teasing a release and it just kept getting pushed back further and further. WebThe .380 Auto (ACP) Pistol is most often used for self-defense, and is a particularly good choice for concealed carry thanks to its small size. Keltec P11 will take S&W 669 mags10,15,20 rounders..just like the Marlin Camp Rifle.. Slicked up and did a Golden Loki Fluff & Buff on my Kel-Tec P3AT after I bought it years ago. For this purpose, I actually switched to an NAA pug. I laughed when I got to the CM40. Also, I dont consider the CPX-2 to be a pocket pistol, nor should it be compared to some of the little single stack fluff-pieces the articles author referenced. As soon as I saw the title I knew the Pico would be on the list. Far better than any of the others gun you talk about on this rag of a story. But with the right technique and practice, its fine. The trigger is long and has some over travel but its very smooth. I challange anyone to break down the Pico and compare all parts to any of the Aluminum Chassis Pocket guns. As a back-up weapon to a larger pistol, the LCP II would also be a great choice as it has a very similar manual of arms to larger pistols such as Glocks while also being small enough to easily conceal carry as we have just seen. He didnt even require them to be positive. I have not had to use them as my SCCY has functioned perfectly so far. In the case of the SCCY they are worth it. No, maybe we are focusing on the self promotion IN CONJUNCTION with the very questionable methods of research and conclusions drawn from them. The trigger is long and weighty but smooth. customer service should you need it that transfers with the gun. The Kahr chokes on all kinds of ammo. Kahr makes a lot of pocket guns, and several of them rate really well. This gun looks a whole lot like the Ruger LCP and Kel-Tec P-3AT. And with 38 other semi-auto pocketguns to choose from, why risk it? And I especially enjoy its clever name. No issue with it. The sccy is a great budget pistol. Years ago a mentor and I were at a range with an iron 30 plate/gong at 270 yards. Or the Kahr in there? Sure, I can see how many people liked or didnt like a firearm, but more important than that is the REASON they voted the way they did. Look at the back of the slide. So I returned it to them, they replaced several worn parts and returned it. Guess what? One of the most MILD mannered pistols you can shoot in 380.They are Ultra reliable with all kinds of ammo. Seriously?). Just keep shooting your pistol. Wrong about sccy. People cant make crap up in their comments? Stainless STEEL barrel, CHASSIS, best sights made on a pocket gun, Magazines that look like Custume 1911, all stainless steel with even a Steel follower. IT is NOT stiff at all. So special, they ride the short bus. Too many women wind up dropping the gun which the thug grabs and then uses on the woman. I can do it blind folded. Shoots fine, never a problem, kills my hand. Examples of popular small pocket .380 autos include the original Ruger LCP, Taurus TCP, Smith & Wesson Bodyguard .380, and the Kel-Tec P3-AT to name a few. anyone can vote on any gun whether they own or have even seen the gun in person. I went through 4 LCP. You fire as soon as you pull and have aimed. At first glance, Japans first semi-automatic pistol design resembles the iconic Ive no complaints. WebBest 9mm Concealed Carry (CCW) Pistol - SIG Sauer P365. The CM9 is a great gun. No aluminum. Types Of .380 Pistols Subcompact vs Micro-Compact Single-Stack vs Double-Stack Magazines What Should You Look for in a A recoil spring system that not only sucks, but lends the thing to have constant and regular jams and FTF and FTEs. My advice. And than some. It would likely be more meaningful. No problems when used within its limits. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-beauty2.jpg It shot pretty well overall, but the trigger sucked. You have to use the recommened ammo in the manual. Its teeny, accurate, and easy to handle. I dont see it. An odd shaped frame that in my opinion they actually went too small on trying to outdo everyone to be the king of small in 380s. After the 200 round break in if you have any, then yes you should be pissed. If its good Ill spread the word. The guy did a service to the gun community by creating this website and writing a cautionary article, and some assholes gotta focus on the self-promotion. The only guns to get near a 100 votes are the Beretta and the SCCY. I love the Pico. The sccy is very similar. I liked the gun otherwise, but the awful trigger was a total deal breaker for me. I had huge issues with a Kahr, so they will never get my money again. It is my bicycle gun. And for sure never shot one. At 10.2 ounces, the trim Taurus 738 is a very light pistol, and with an overall length of just 5.25 inches its easy to conceal even under light I own some pretty toys and more expensive carry guns but for everyday carry i choose between my CPX 2 and S&W 442 and feel just as confident with either. Five for sure and nobody can show otherwise. TTAG writerJeremy S. apparently had a non-awful experience with a CA380. I still have the same problem. You find that to be an effective way to make friends and influence people? But thats just me Not everyone places as much weight on user ratings as I do. Yes it did. Granted, .380 pocket autos are not guns that you take to the range for fun. In +P it hurt my hand, so I went to regular 38 spcl. Ill definitely be checking it out. Not sure why the Sccy is on this list, I own a cpx2 and its great! I bought it because the idea of 10+1 rounds in 9mm was very appealing. I certainly wouldnt be happy. Top 5 .380 Pistols Our Top Pick Glock 42 .380 ACP Sportsmans Warehouse (Check Price) Palmetto State Armory (Check Price) Primary Arms (Check (2) You have no idea who the reviewers are and what their qualifications to rate a firearm areeven if they tell you. Id trust actual reviewers over internet voters. Glad I didnt see mine. This is like the buzzfeed of gun articles. Thats a lot! The LCP isnt that bad. IO stopped making them and moved to Florida. Yea, guns like Diamondback, Jiminez, Lorcen, High Point and so forth have always had poor reputations, but guns like SCCY and the now Springfield Armory XD were initially poo pooed but turn out to be good guns And I will do my best to talk others out of Kahr products. Lets find out by comparing it to the original LCP. We saw your review and write up. No problems with it at all. Thats when I could get them to respond to my emails, that is. (I like Glocks, but between the trigger and the slimness of the Kahr, Im a convert) My least favorite aspect of the CM40, aside from the revolver-like capacity, is the stiffness of the slide spring. I have seen this kind of nonsense before but did not expect to see it here. I am surprised high point 380 & 9mm werent included in your list. Try the Sig P938 If you are truly carrying for protection you dont mind the Sig Price if your life is on the line and the P938 shoots like a minature 1911 Love mine and have had several friends buy them after shooting my P938 SAS. How do they perform? LMFAO!!!! In light of that, the valuable service you claim hes doing may well be smoke and mirrors. This crowdsourced data points arent perfect, but if a product gets a statistically significant number of votes, we get a pretty good idea of how it stacks up thanks to the wisdom-of-crowds phenomenon. I shoot a lot of pocket guns. There are two primary uses for the LCP II: concealed carry and/or as a back-up pistol. Nemesis pocket holster, and 1 spare mag, goes everyehere. Funny the SCCY was rated on 2 other surveys as one of the top 5 affordable and reliable pocket guns. I have shot the Pico with thousands of rounds and can honestly say I have Never had ONE single failure out of thousands of rounds. Probably ran 150 round through it so far. George have you tried a different ammo brand? There are many different 380 pistol options, but our favorites include the following: Ruger LCP II, Walther PK380, Kel-tec P3AT, Taurus Spectrum, and M&P Shield EZ. On the plus side, the SCCY has a lighter trigger than the Kel-Tec P11 (which may explain the problem), but the P11 always goes bang. Booth #72617 Cabot Guns I. Just being a bashing b**** , gets you nowhere. CPX 2. Super gun, works every time. SRP: $269. I love this site and usually stand behind the things written on it, but this is absolute trash and clickbait. By the way, break down the Kahr and compare it to the Pico. I dont know if I should believe anything guns3x has to say, he is clearly insane. Just like Fords. It is also the only 10 shot 9mm you can find that is truly small enough to pocket carry. That thing is a freaking beast of a gun in terms of durability (yes, I have seen torture tests of it). I have two of the Picos. The thing stinks. I would even venture to say its a 50/50 gamble when buying a Kel Tec. So Ill pass on the herd mentality when buying guns thanks.. And with gloves on, even the skin tight shooting gloves, it was impossible to get the trigger to reset without removing my finger from the trigger guard completely, or using my support hand to manually push it forward far enough to reset. Having visited that site, I dont think their rating system really gives me enough information to choose between firearms. yes the Masss might love them, but who the hell are the masses? 4) Beretta Pico(4.1 stars 0.3, 134 votes), Color me shockedto see the Pico down here with the bottom feeders because Beretta is a major manufacturer that produces lots of quality firearms. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. CM40 is my summe4 carry. I really get the feeling you know little about the Pico. Just my two. Unlike several riflesOh wait I might get a 22mag but not for big money. Its almost like clockwork, at about the 5th round itll turn the shell sideways then the returning bolt will grab it. And then the gall to refer to Jeremy who by the way did not bother to report that the upgraded model fixed all the issues with the first run. What good is a lifetime warranty if they dont fix it??? Bounce is not horrible but that along with size will take some of the enjoyment out of the session. Yet one more advantage for the LCP II is the fact that the slide locks back on the final round fired to signal you are empty. They are well known for their % of guns that have failure rates compared to the ones that dont. Stainless steel throughout the gun. Was definitely surprised that certain other brands didnt make the list. The cobra looks very similar to a firearm my mother owns. Mostly new firearm buyers that buy into all the advertising and ridiculous internet junk. Did anybody take the poor performing guns to a reputable gunsmith and have them tuned up? That would be TTAG, and a handful of others. My NAA .380 ACP with Novak 3 dot night sights has been 100% reliable with every ammo tried and as accurate as I am. This is NOT a target gun. Ive got a CPX-2 and a Hellcat. It works great if all it does is sit in your pocket. Using that, Ive compiled a spreadsheet of the resultsby filtering down 200+ subcompact handguns, first by caliber (nothing weaker than .380 ACP), and then by size (nothing bigger than 5.77 long x 4.4 tall).That left 44 semi-autos, which I sorted by each guns average user rating. I bought one of the .380 Seecamps when they first came out. Nope. Web.380 pocket pistols have a well-deserved reputation for having some of the worst trigger pulls of any semi-automatic pistols on the market. Go to Genitron and compare.And very little muzzle flip. And BTW, the gunsgunsguns link doesnt work. Most of the post are from newbies that know very little about guns in the first place. Im pretty surprised the P3AT isnt on this list. It came back still not fixed. You have not spoken to anyone that has something positive to say about the Pico? My Cpx 2 is not 100% reliable, but I did not expect it to be for $250. Personally have no experience with them but it is to each his own and have heard nothing but good about these pistols. I have 2 of them. OMG! With pocket pistols you get so much more in terms of everything for every little uptick in size you go. I am a Pocket gun enthusiast. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-left.jpg. Not cheap, but beautifully crafted. YES, of course Id rate the G19 at least from a practical, hardcore perspective an obviously more robust, serious combat-capable CC piece, but when you think about it, here I am comparing a Glock 19 to a SCCY CPX-2 for certain situations and that HAS to be a compliment to the SCCY, in an offhand way (and dont accuse me of being a Glock fanboy I own diverse alternatives, and was actually very slow by choice getting into the Glock game.) If you use ratings to determine which gun works or doesnt work for you, you are a fool. I have received grief for it as well. The Type 94 Shiki Kenju. Every one of these pistols are incredibly easy to conceal in your pocket. But, in real life event, the trigger want matter. TTAG has some of the worst reviewers in history. The problem with the group wisdom line of thinking is that you cannot separate the people with actual hands on experience with the firearm in question from actual users, which is always a problem with new guns. I shot the cpx-1 and the cpx-2and never had a problem with either. All of this list (for the most part) are price point guns and no, you will not get HK quality for $200, but this list is about as fanboy as anything I have ever seen on here. I normally enjoy Truth about guns. You got to be a rookie. Ruger sells the LCP II with a neoprene pocket holster (which has the Ruger logo on it), and it actually works quite well. Wisdom of the crowd is an awfully unknown thing to be making life-and-death decisions on. I would have bet the farm that the Ruger LCP was the worst small pistol ever created. For that reason its got a little too much recoil and im not as accurate with it as i am with my heavier pistols chambered in 9mm and 40 caliber . Jimenez was one former name for Cobra also Loren was also a former name . the fact you just dont like it? The reason I hated it was they are DAO and the trigger pull was a mile long, i found my self pulling the trigger again before it reset. A number of guns you have to shoot 400 rounds or so to exercise the gun so it will never jam as long as it is cleaned and oiled. The guns with the lower number of people voting are probably irrelevant no matter what their scores are. Ruger markets the trigger as having a six pound pull. The trigger is fantastic, and reassuring in handling and holstering (leather IWB) in ways that Glock is not. From what I have heard the folks at SCCY provide great customer service. Only drawback is the 2D trigger. Its fun to shoot really, PS: visited the site again, feeling slightly guilty for harping on the polling validity-. Springfield operator: 5.2 The DAO trigger is long but is consistent and smooth. We both agreed, the TCP trigger was superior to the LCP. Did they succeed? It is designed as a personal defense arm not a target pistol or a plunker. A 9mm shouldnt be slower than a .45. Remarkable build quality. The number of ratings is what sold his other books. He talks about having to yank the Mag. What utter nonsense! How is the P3AT above the middle of the list? Sean, I cannot find documentation of John Lott having bought reviews on Amazon. I chose. Thats along what I was thinking. Which is good compared to many overpriced semi auto pistols which are not as dependable. Nonetheless, the fact that they are difficult to shoot can be a major problem for training and self-defense purposes. It is not some junker throwaway, but a solid, well machined piece with a heavy but smooth DAO trigger which emulates a DA revolver, by design and makes the piece perhaps a bit more safely carried and handled for many that may feel uncomfortable with a light, short pull SA. the problem with your rating site is that it is seriously flawed. I dont know the story behind why but we can only guess. Beretta did a fine job on the Pocket Pistol. http://virtualchick.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/unicorn.jpg. Do you perhaps have a very early one? Actually the design was made so that the magazine would not pop out on firing like other small pocket guns are guilty of, use the release correctly and it is a breeze. You must not even be able to read. good amount of rounds it is a damn good carry gun. I had a CPX-2, functionality and reliability i couldnt complain about. 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